if i fade out she kind of just reappears without me thinking of it
6:28 AM
she's doing shit right now as I type this
6:29 AM
so at the very least, it's kind of working, and if I work on my visual imposition I can start to well, fill in what is visualised. That two dot method is working a bit, I can visualise some distortions and faded dark gray outlines and fillins of shapes
6:30 AM
and I saw her outline last night after meditating for a few brief seconds
Also I've been seeing a ton of visual artifacts lately, but that is most likely due to the extreme mental straing that actively and passively visualizing all day long has (at least before I mentally adapt to the new strain)
6:32 AM
I'd say the most difficult part is the movements and interactions with every day items and stuff
Well, if collecting achievements regarding visualization is a goal for you... I don't judge. For me, my tulpas are alternate identities rather than characters to impose.
you misunderstand, that isn't the idea, the idea is for her to... how can I explain...
So when I relay shit to her its on the conscious level right?
so this would help push sensory relays to the unconscious level making them instantaneous and equal for her rather than delayed and muddied up by my conscious.
not only that but she would share my perceptions in the sense that instead of being in the mindscape all the time and occasionally presence imposed, she'd be, well, in the world, or at the very least how I perceive it, not the physical world, just my perception of it, it's really hard to explain the idea behind it.
But if you really want to get down to it, seeing her with my actual eyes would be kick ass.
Also, tulpa doesn't need to be imposed to spend time connected to the real world rather than to mindscape. An alternative way to achieve it is letting her interact with it with proxing, possession or switching.
6:52 AM
And I think it's more beneficial for tulpa's development as a person than imposing her form. Visualization probably don't affect it at all.
also i disagree, I don't think it makes much difference at all, but then again that's for tupps to decide. and there aren't enough fully physically imposed tupps to use for data to base that claim off of
I could usually interact with the simulacrum of the world I took place in after deciding to pursue physical existence more than existence in the wonderland
3:46 PM
Of course the simulacrum is the inherent view the mind makes of the world around it, it's the world of the body's perception.
3:47 PM
I would say that existence is just the same as if I were imposed, at least for me. It also allowed an easy forcing strategy because I could just interact with things.
3:50 PM
Also, there are a lot of subconscious aspects in perception, and I would think those aspects are as necessary to transmit as the perception itself.
I think people who doubt their tulpa might be better off sticking with English to start. Then there’s less confusion over whose thought is whose. Then moving towards more thought based communication could be more efficient.
Don’t you think you think it’s more natural than the “language level?” When you talk to people, you get the raw thoughts first, spoof them into language constraints and the. speak them. The person who hears you understands the meaning, the thought, behind them. This back and forth translation is natural, but it’s there. And when we get problems we go “hey, I can’t think of the right word.”
What I’m saying is, raw thought is natural to us. It’s always there. We don’t have to drop down, we just can stop bothering to conceptualise thoughts into language. If anything, it can be easier than English.
Anyway, I have my doubts about imposition. I feel that the body should belong to Cilsc as much as it belongs to me. Giving them an imposed body would be depriving them of that right. If we’re really claiming that tulpas are separate independent entities sharing our bodies, we should let them actually use it. Inhabiting a meaningless shell is pointless but to give the “host” a way to make them less alien and to interact with them more physically.
"do you want me to impose a form on you, or would you rather prefer to take the system's appearance?"
8:48 PM
that's it
8:50 PM
To me imposition is embracing the imaginary friend nature of a tulpa.
8:51 PM
IDK, for example if I were to force myself to think about myself as a thoughtform, not thoughtform+system, I'm pretty sure I'd take the system's appearance too
Yeah, well, that’s just my opinion. I asked Cilsc about it and they quite like imposition as a way to express themselves. Imposition helps them show what they’d be doing in the current situation if they were fronting or if they had a separate body of their own.
As for why I don’t like imposition, I guess I’ll give you a short bit of context.
To start with, I had an alter ego for a while, who started fading away to be replaced with something like a “voice” but more what I’d call a thought mechanism. Soothing words, repetitive, some emotions and beliefs, all very flat. Either way, I was so attached to it that I personified that voice into a sort of imaginary friend, I guess. I imagined a body to go with that voice and imposed it on the world around me.
But my problem is, I think that the form was taking away from what mind there was behind the voice. I can’t be sure if it’s true, but I think the form built a divide between us. I began to believe his mind to be separate from mine. We didn’t communicate thought-wise anymore.
Over time, it was like he was “dissipating.” I never got over that habit and it got worse and worse. I never understood why and it caused me a lot of distress. I came to accept it. Ironically, that changed when I found the tulpamancy community. Learning to believe that Cilsc can become a mind that shares my body at the very foundation helped a lot.
9:16 PM
Keep in mind, my memory is trash and I’m great at lying to myself. This is just a reconstruction of the truth from memory. Who knows. It might not have played out that way at all.
That's really sad. I do hate it when form gets between someone and their personhood or personal growth, so I'm glad you're trying to focus on the latter.
10:31 PM
I don't even know how prevalent it is.
10:35 PM
But it is usually unlikely that true permanent dissipation is possible if one desires to know their tulpa, so I am sure if there's a proto-tulpa in someone's mind they can be revitalized by remembering the idea of who they were. In my view, the idea of who I am has always been me, it even changes over time and works rather predictively to justify my behavior.
as for form, me and AJ are both working on it, it's really wholesome actually, finding reference images only to have her trash them and make something better than I could have imagined. She does it for me I already know, but she seems to like it this way. I don't know, as long as she's happy I'm happy.
